Thursday 8 April 2010
Katyn massacre
This time my presentations will cover three quite present issues that willy-nilly somehow concern each of us. Later discussion should be much easier because you won't have to elaborate on things or hobbys that are not necessairly points of your interest. I believe topics picked by me are much more universal and common for all of us.
Let's than kick off with a really tender topic - Katyn massacre presented in medias yesterday because of it's 70th anniversary. If not particulary related to your family, still is a tragic act of genocide on Polish military elite. Obviously justified by older generations, for us for sure much less, it remains a thorn in the flesh when speaking of Polish-Russian relations. And that careful weighting of every word - whether it truely brings back
the truth about that tragedy. Of course, avoiding by Russians of genocide term is simply dictated by hard-nosed means because in that case Russia would have to pay off tremendous restitutions to families of victims. As we know Katyn wasn't the only example of bestial breaking of the human rights by USSR, therefore total sum of such restitutions would be unimaginable. Althought above mentioned, in my opinion, recent policy of Vladimir Putin is going in right direction.
Especially admitting that Katyn massacre was intentionally performed by Soviet Russia. On the other hand I can only imagine that for families of victims, according to saying "deeds not words", it is still not enough and they can expect something more. Only concern that occupies my mind is fact that Katyn is a matter of life and death for some groups of interests. Although it is still an open wound it shouldn't be a stringent argument in modern business or policy relations with Russia. Conservatists tend to impose such rhetoric forgeting that eventually it leads to nowhere.
As a reminder (based on Wikipedia), Katyn also known as Katyn Forest massacre was a mass murder (genocide) of (most commonly cited) 21 768 Polish prisoners of war, intellectuals, policemen by Soviet NKVD. On March 5, 1940 Joseph Stalin, Lavrentiy Beria and entire Soviet Politbiuro approved this "sentence of death". Since Poland's conscription system required every unexempted university graduate to become a reserve officer, the Soviets were able to round up much of the Polish intelligentsia, and the Jewish, Ukrainian, Georgian and Belarusian intelligentsia of Polish citizenship. Executions took place on April when after 3 April at least 22,436 POWs (Prisoner Of War) and prisoners were executed (methodical killings - shooting in the back of the head). In 1943 Nazi Germany announced the discovery of mass graves in the Katyn Forest. Soviet Union denied the massacres until 1990, originally accusing Germans of making up a hoax. An investigation by the Prosecutor's General Office of the Russian Federation has confirmed Soviet responsibility for the massacres, yet does not classify this action as a war crime or an act of genocide. This acknowledgement would have made necessary the prosecution of surviving perpetrators, which is what the Polish government had requested. The Russian government also does not classify the dead as victims of Stalinist repression, which bars formal posthumous rehabilitation.
Is your family personally related to Katyn massacre? Do you find recent symbolical gestures of Putin a way for healing Polish-Russian relations or in contrary - acknowledging by Russia should be a matter of life and death for Polish policy?
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Actually, I have no idea if my family is related to Katyn massacre.
ReplyDeleteI find these gestures of Putin some kind of a way for healing our relations. It's a difficult case though, because of the fact, that Russian government doesn't want to show us a list that we know as "Lista białoruska", which was very expected to be given to Donald Tusk during his visit in Katyn. Wladimir Putin is trying to prove his good attitude to Poland and that he wants to help us to solve Katyn's "mystery". He is also hoping it's going to be the end of the conflict between our countries. After today's plane's crash he enunciated he would like to come and see the place of this terrible accident.
Putin designated the best investigators of such cases. To sum up we're making great progress in healing our relations and to me Putins's gestures are necessary to Polish, who don't believe in his good will.
Well, I haven't (for luck) any family related to Katyn Massacre.
ReplyDeleteI watched Katyn movie and I was scared about helpless of polish officers there. They were taking to the forest, see a lot of dead bodies and ther already know that there is no chance to survive, and they will by just in few seconds place near them.
Well I think our problem as a nation is that we concentrate too much on the past, other nations also suffered great losses but they somehow managed to recover. Let's take 9/11 for example, it happened not so long ago but America already lives normally while here in Poland media and politicians still concentrate on the past.
ReplyDeleteFor sure Katyń shouldn't be an issue in relations between Russia and Poland not only because it happened 70 years ago and most people connected with these events from both sides are already dead but also because blaming Russians is not entirely fair since decision about the massacre was made by two Georgians (Stalin and Beria) who had caused death of millions of Russians.
I think the reason while it's still not over is because many people have political interests in keeping the issue alive which is harmful for Poland as we have many common economic interests with Russia.
However I hope that recent events will change the situation as behaviour of Russian government is excellent in my opinion.
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ReplyDeleteNeither have I family related to this massacre.
ReplyDeleteI believe in Putin's good intentions and the fact that truth is important. Even the worst. However, we should also remember that we are not the only victims of the regime and that nowadays Russia is not be our enemy.
Not too much to say about the Katyn massacre after Saturday morning events. It's good to observe Russian involvement and attitude towards helping us Poles get by.
ReplyDeleteI think that in some way, it's a tragedy for Russians as well. We were on a good way to resolve our issues regarding Katyn, and now another tragedy happened, that only emphasised 70th anniversary of Katyn massacre.
Not too much to say about the Katyn massacre after Saturday morning events. It's good to observe Russian involvement and support for Poles.
ReplyDeleteI think that it's a great tragedy for Russia as well. We were on a good way to resolve our issues considering Katyn. However, death of the head of state as well as many important politicians has only emphasised the tragedy of Katyn.
I am not linked with Katyn Massacre, but after the plane crash I think that everyone of us has some connection with it.
ReplyDeleteIt’s hard to find clear gestures of Russian Government before this time, now we have many examples – for example Wajda’s “Katyń” emission in the TV channel which was available for a wide range of people.
But I think we must wait for something more as wrote S4504 – “Lista białoruska” and the rest of documents.
Antoni Bucior i have to agtee with Piotr s3544 although i am not aware of more recent open evidence or publications to verify the deaths of so many Polish intellectuals and intelligencia such that Poland never had the opportunity to recover its status post WWII.
DeletePlease excuse me that I didn't comment on this before. It was a tough week, to say the least. I really don't know how to say something that won't be cliche.
ReplyDeleteThe only thing that makes me happy about this tragedy, is that probably all parts of the world know about Katyn massacre now. I remember, that few hours after the crash, Google Trends showed that "katyn massacre" query was a fifth top query in Google. Maybe that's why Russian government isn't denying what happened there 70 years ago.
I don't know anything about someone from my family who was killed in Katyn massacre.
ReplyDeleteIt seems to me that Putin's last gesture (before the 10th Aptill 2010) showed that it's possible to improve Polish-Russian relations and are on good way to this.
Fortunately, nobody from my family died in Katyn, but it does not mean that I am not involved in getting know the history about Katyn. I know that it is very important to be aware of the facts from 1940 not only for me but for all Polish people. The saddest thing is that people all aroud the world did not know about Katyn and all events connected with this place, till the tragedy in Smolensk happened. We should commemorate and dignify all killed in Katyn, we should also remember about these events and talk about them not olny now but also in future to let new generations get to know about it.
ReplyDeleteI think Katyn was the main obstacle in Russian-Polish relations and behavior of Putin and Russian government after the Smolensk disaster can tear down the wall between Poland and Russia.
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